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I don’t see why what you’re describing isn’t possible in the NBA, where a minified version of a team can be easily created, and making a camp out of teams regionally isn’t a serious challenge.

The NFL... yeah that’s another world. MLB, dunno. NHL... gray area.

You’re thinking test availability is a challenge - anyone with money can get a test at this point. It’s less of a cost to make, more of a cost to deploy. Even with a shit response on testing from the government... doesn’t imply we won’t have the ability to make tests outright.
You need to be able to test every employee and their family members daily to do this responsibly. And to do it responsibly, that needs to occur without depleting whatever supply is necessary to ensure every healthcare worker, their family members, and those exhibiting symptoms outside of the sports world has the proper amount of tests.

I'm with you, except in that I think that owners are greedy enough to steamroll the players on this (and the federal government will be all willing to help MLB out on huge US flags in fields on a Fourth of July opening day).

I think that only increases the likelihood of the season starting and then quickly coming to another halt.
 
You need to be able to test every employee and their family members daily to do this responsibly. And to do it responsibly, that needs to occur without depleting whatever supply is necessary to ensure every healthcare worker, their family members, and those exhibiting symptoms outside of the sports world has the proper amount of tests.



We live in a mega capitalist country. If they want tests they can buy tests if they pay enough money. It’s not depleting stocks, it’s them paying more money in order for more to be created for them.

To think that’s not a possibility... these tests aren’t hard to make. They’re hard to ramp up production and properly deploy, especially when your leadership isn’t making that a priority and is potentially actively stopping it from raising in priority.

To think this isn’t something they’re planning to do is silly. Their bottom line will be whether or not it’s profitable, and whether or not they can maintain an image that doesn’t make them look bad.
 
I'm not saying we can't make enough tests. I'm saying we aren't making enough tests, and don't plan to make enough tests. And sports leagues have to grapple with making enough for themselves while frontline workers still don't have enough.
 
And so aesthetically they’ll pay for the production of 2x what they need and they’ll donate half and so long as they are making a profit and not looking like monsters they’ll continue.

My initial point was to your first comment saying there won’t be sports in 2020, and putting feelings aside, money won’t be left on the table like that.
 
Just as I expected, medical experts think the MLB plan falls short of what needs to be done to carry a season out responsibly and safely.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...ng-narrow-way-back-field-coronavirus-pandemic

Baseball's plan, which calls for "frequent" -- but not daily -- testing, quarantines only individuals who test positive, increasing the risk of spread and contravening federal guidelines that advise individuals who come in contact with a confirmed infection to quarantine for at least two weeks. Unless protective equipment and diagnostic testing become more prevalent in the coming weeks, MLB will be competing with medical providers for essential resources in some states. MLB vows it will not to siphon resources from the public. As MLB's plans took shape, health officials for big league cities were not consulted, leaving out critical decision-makers the league is counting on to execute the plan, including some empowered to shut down the sport in their communities during an emergency. Baseball says it will do so when the plan is complete. Across America, businesses, governments, schools, houses of worship -- and a few sports leagues -- are slowly working their way toward reopening, even as deaths from the coronavirus approach 100,000. As these institutions move forward, they are employing a hodgepodge of approaches that range from conservative to aggressive.

With MLB losing roughly $75 million a day, according to estimates by Patrick Rishe, director of the sports business program at Washington University in St. Louis, officials are contemplating a half-season plus expanded playoffs -- well over 1,200 games across the nation. Baseball will be engaged in a daily battle against the virus -- disinfecting baseballs, deep-cleaning clubhouses and, at least initially, banning paying customers from the ballpark.

MLB will need help from state and local health officials to address ongoing concerns in most major league cities. Currently, all but six restrict gatherings to 10 people; 11 have banned gatherings altogether. Sixteen of the league's 30 teams are still under various shelter-in-place orders. Last week, the health director for Los Angeles County -- a California hot spot and the home of the Dodgers -- said restrictions will remain in place for three more months. But California Gov. Gavin Newsom, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signaled their support this week for pro sports to return soon in those states.

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As ESPN reported last week, Halem said MLB is prepared to move teams to locations that have been reopened if state or local governments prohibit them from playing in their own cities. Although details of MLB's plan are still developing, the linchpin is diagnostic testing to ensure that thousands of people -- players, staff and other personnel -- remain uninfected.

The Harvard Global Health Institute recommends states conduct at least 152 tests per day for every 100,000 people. But only four out of the 17 states with MLB teams currently meet that standard, based on a seven-day average of testing results compiled by the COVID Tracking Project. How MLB avoids competing for desperately needed resources is shaping up as one of its biggest challenges.

Halem acknowledged that some labs are still unable to analyze tests on the scale that's needed.
But he said baseball solved that problem by working with a Salt Lake City lab so that MLB can administer and analyze its own coronavirus tests without interfering with public health needs.

"We made the decision we were going to stay out of that world to not take tests away from the public," Halem said. He added that private companies assured MLB that it also will not be in competition with the health care system for much-needed personal protective equipment such as masks and gloves.

But Dr. Val Griffeth, an Oregon emergency medicine and critical-care specialist who co-founded an organization that fills shortages of personal protective equipment for medical providers, disagreed: "Every resource being used by Major League Baseball will be a resource not being used by a health care service somewhere. Unfortunately, that's the reality we live in."

In March, an MLB trial balloon to play inside a protective bubble at spring training sites deflated, in part because of the players' reluctance to be isolated for an extended period and limited broadcasting capacity. But the latest plan -- with players and other personnel free to circulate in their communities as state rules permit -- is a riskier, less certain strategy, according to health experts interviewed by ESPN
. One sports executive gave MLB a 75% chance of completing the season.

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Baseball's plan designates about 100 essential employees per team -- players and other on-field personnel and "a limited number of essential staff who come in close proximity to the players." These "Tier 1" and "Tier 2" individuals will be tested multiple times per week, though the plan doesn't specify how many times that would be. The plan says nothing about regular testing for 150 "Tier 3" individuals who are involved in "essential event services" but will be separated from the others. If those people come into contact with someone who has the virus, they will be tested.

Beyond their families, teammates, managers and other baseball personnel, players still will be exposed to a broad range of people -- from hotel staff to security personnel; from bus drivers to flight attendants. All will be traveling in their own circles when not working; MLB's plan does not say anything about testing those workers. That creates added potential for an outbreak, experts said.

"One of the things I try to explain to people is that whatever other people are doing who live anywhere near you, is gonna affect you," said Diana Zuckerman, the president of the National Center for Health Research in Washington, D.C., a nonprofit independent think tank. "Just because you're not going to get a tattoo when you're in Georgia when your team is playing the Braves, if the person serving you at the restaurant is married to a person who got a tattoo or married to the person who is the tattoo artist, then you as a customer at that restaurant or even picking up carryout has the potential for being contaminated by those people who are doing those things."
 
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Some medical experts will never sign off on any plan that any sport puts forth, cause there'll always be some risk no matter what. You can find somebody to counter any plan if you look for them.
 
A few days late, as normal, but I have to say, if the DH ever comes to the NL, I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that baseball will have became a less beloved sport for me.
 
Prepare yourself.

This season is what it is, the whole thing is a giant * anyways, so fine, at least I get to watch the game.

But if they use it as a way to sneak it in permanently, that's when I think I'm going to find myself running into trouble.
 
I’m cool with weird rules in sports. For weird times only. I think “what a time to be alive...”! “Remember when stealing bases was an automatic out because of a pandemic?”
 
That reminds me of a short anecdote (EDIT: OK that was longer than I thought):

I love baseball, obviously, and I absolutely love playing softball, but I haven't been on a team since I was about 10 years old. I'm short and not very athletic, I was never going to be on the team in high school (the only opportunity to be on a softball team there was in my city). Fast forward, I'm in college and I never really had a group I belonged to that whole time I was there, but I made friends every now and again. Sophomore year, BAM! I get sued by the RIAA for downloading music. I was stupid and had no idea being on a server and downloading music was about the most idiotic thing you could do. It was right around my birthday, and the exact same time the year before, my grandmother passed away. I was convinced my birthday was not cursed, and I was feeling absolutely miserable. My few close friends I do have took me to go get some food in the cafeteria and I run into one of the people I know through marching band. They're desperate for one more person to play softball with them on the intramural league, because it's co-ed and they MUST have half men and half women on the team. So for one day, one of the worst, lowest days of my life, I was able to play softball again and I was having the time of my life. I played catcher, because I always have and always will, with no pads. Caught a foul tip against my chest and probably bruised a rib, my team was cheering for me and I felt really good.

So...I'm up to bat and I get a hit. Next person after me socks it way out to right field, and I take off. There's no base coaches so I make a call and take off for third. I can tell the ball's coming, so I slide into third. It was beautiful, one of my all-time best sports moments.......annnnnnd I'm out. Because I did not know you can't slide in beer league softball :lol:. My teammates gave me a round of applause and a pat on the back and told me it was their fault they didn't explain the rules. I felt terrible, but also really good. What a weird memory to make me feel so happy.

Anyways, that's the last time I've played softball. I can't ever seem to work anywhere that has a company team, and I probably would never volunteer for one anyways, because I'm too self conscious. Oh, also, I guess the RIAA dropped the suit because it never went anywhere, but that was just about the most stressful few weeks of my life as I waited for the damage to be done, they were suing me for 10s of 1000s of dollars. I'm glad that period of history is over. I wasn't the only young person to get hit with a prespect so frightening and some people DID have to pay.
 
I was nearly kicked out of a softball game because of an argument I had with the umpire that ended up being a misunderstanding of a rule (outfielders can't throw people out at first base). Each league is an island.

The last two games I played of softball were with a broken finger, because I broke it in the first inning of a semi-final game and didn't want to be out for the championship. I played centerfield and dove for a fly ball ahead of me. I play with the index finger of my left/glove hand out. When I landed, the whole glove went one direction, but my finger went the other direction. I was sure I just hyper extended it, but a week or so later it turned out it was broken.

I stayed in the game since I didn't think I broke it, and I had a two run single with one arm to put in the winning run because I couldn't close my one hand around the bat, then played the whole final a few days later with some splint I bought at Walgreen's. I'm in the championship photo holding up a "number one" with my broken finger in the splint. When I got hit by a car two months later, there was a funny exchange where they told me I had broken my finger as well as my destroyed thumb, and I got to say "Yes, the thumb is broken, but the finger was already broken and you don't have to worry about it."
 
It's good to know that each league has their own rules, because if I ever do play again, at least now I know that I'm going to need to request a rule book a week in advance to prepare myself (kidding?)

I love that story, Jerry, like, it's so over the top, but I can totally understand it. Was the league for anything? Like a school team, etc, or was it just beer league/work?
 
It's good to know that each league has their own rules, because if I ever do play again, at least now I know that I'm going to need to request a rule book a week in advance to prepare myself (kidding?)

I love that story, Jerry, like, it's so over the top, but I can totally understand it. Was the league for anything? Like a school team, etc, or was it just beer league/work?
Recreational league in the suburban town that my office is in.
why the hell would there be a rule that outfielders can't throw out runners at first? :scratch:
It's a co-ed league. The rule was to combat the trend of outfielders all moving in when women would step up to the plate.
 
It's a co-ed league. The rule was to combat the trend of outfielders all moving in when women would step up to the plate.

as a male who would see all the outfielders move in whenever i stepped up to the plate, i can appreciate this.

but wouldn't the outfielders move in anyways to try to catch short pop-ups and line drives?
 
They also instituted a rule that you had to stay beyond a certain point. We were playing on 60 foot bases, but on a 90 foot diamond with the dirt farther back, so the rule was you had to stay on the outfield grass. Everyone would be on the front of the grass for the smaller players, but it was enough to make the difference.
 
Looking forward to starting the MLB 2020 Thread, but alas, nothing yet. Or perhaps, no season at all. :sad: These people need to get their shit together. :angry:
 
Really impressed with the players. The MLBPA was terrible in the last CBA, but they finally woke up. Screw the billionaires. Imagine the CBA negotiations next fall.
 
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