New Album Discussion 1 - Songs of..... - Unreasonable guitar album

[Headache in a Suitcase]

I wonder what @U2SJ thinks about the song finally seeing some sort of official release

 

[mikal]

I don’t know that I’ve been so excited for one song to be released by U2 in quite a while. It’s going to be weird not calling it Mercy though.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

One could say that finally getting the song makes you... the luckiest man in the world

 

[mikal]

One could say that finally getting the song makes you... the luckiest man I the world

Hanging out with the Marcus King Band last night actually beats the Mercy release.

 

[cobl04]

This is going to sound snarky but I truly don't mean it to be, but here we go anyways...

So if I hear correctly - Bono's modern day platitude style of writing is cool provided that you like the song?

I want to ride my bicycle
I want to ride my bike
I want to ride my bicycle
I want to ride it where I like

Ob la di ob la da
Life goes on, brah
La la la life goes on

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Right. So the platitude critique is, well bullshit. It's just whether or not you think the song is good.

 

[cobl04]

I will take a song full of "platitudes" like Mercy that sounds exceptional over a song with "good" lyrics that sounds shit eight days a week.

 

[phanan]

I wonder what @U2SJ thinks about the song finally seeing some sort of official release

One of the all-time greatest Interference moments, because of her.

 

[Salome]

I've never heard a version of Mercy that I reckoned was in the top 75% of what U2 has done.
I doubt this will be the one to change that.
It's something they might have been able to pull off on sheer energy and Eno induced inspiration in the 80s, now it has neither.
In my opinion.

 

[mikal]

Random question. Have you all always considered Yahweh or Fast Cars as the final song on the album?

 

[dan_smee]

Yahweh, even though I’ve never owned a version of the album that didn’t have Fast Cars. They call it a bonus track so I suppose it’s a bonus track?

 

[phanan]

Yahweh for me as well. In my custom version I have Mercy just before it, and Fast Cars is mixed in.

 

[PookaMacP]

Yahweh - even though the version I bought (queuing up at HMV on Grafton Street for a midnight release) has Fast Cars on it.

It's in the same realm as Ground Beneath Her Feet: a bonus track tacked on to the end of an album in the hope that it will dupe fans (in the UK and Ireland, at least) into ignoring the sky-high price of the CD.

Plus, I'm pretty sure it was announced as a bonus track, too.

 

[mikal]

Yahweh for me as well. In my custom version I have Mercy just before it, and Fast Cars is mixed in.

I always put Mercy at #5 and moved COBL back one slot. Awesome little combo.

 

[TinKnight]

Yahweh.

I don't know if it's ever been discussed before, but my Roman Empire is that seemingly all references to The Ground Beneath Her Feet being a bonus track have been removed from most recent releases of ATYCLB.

 

[lazarus]

Anyone thinking Fast Cars and TGBHF are the official last songs of their respective albums needs to have their head examined.

There's a simple litmus test: if there were versions in wide release in a fair number of countries where the song wasn't included, it's safe to say it's not part of the album proper.

In Japan, Australia, Ireland and the UK, "The Ground Beneath Her Feet" (3:44) is a bonus track at the end.

"Fast Cars" is a bonus track on the Japan, UK and Ireland CD edition

Only 3-4 markets that had this version? And the USA doesn't? Sorry, but that doesn't cut it.

 

[The John Tree]

‘Grace’ ends ATYCLB,

‘Yahweh’ ends HTDAAB.

‘Invisible,’ ‘Lucifer’s Hands,’ and ‘The Crystal Ballroom,’ unfortunately didn’t make the cut for SoI.

SoE closes with ‘13 (There Is a Light)’ and not ‘The Book of Your Heart.’

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

This is a good and proper response

 

[mikal]

Anyone thinking Fast Cars and TGBHF are the official last songs of their respective albums needs to have their head examined.

There's a simple litmus test: if there were versions in wide release in a fair number of countries where the song wasn't included, it's safe to say it's not part of the album proper.

In Japan, Australia, Ireland and the UK, "The Ground Beneath Her Feet" (3:44) is a bonus track at the end.

"Fast Cars" is a bonus track on the Japan, UK and Ireland CD edition

Only 3-4 markets that had this version? And the USA doesn't? Sorry, but that doesn't cut it.

Yeeeeah I guess? But one thing to consider is that the streaming market has made things a bit different. Take one of my favorite bands, Biffy Clyro. One of their "bonus" tracks a few albums ago has been referred to as the final song on the album by the band several times, so while I agree about Fast Cars and TGBHF, the conversation has more grey area than it used to have.

 

[DeVaul]

This is a good and proper response

At least until we see the actual ticket prices and how much of the stadium is set aside for platinum.

 

[Hewson]

This is a good and proper response

Yes. Someone paid attention to the shit storm in UK/Ireland. Tickets will still probably be too expensive and very hard to get, but at least they won't be magically increasing in price after you cart them etc.

 

[phanan]

There's no way the demand for Oasis will be as big in the US.

I think this is less about what happened in the UK and more that they know demand won't nearly be the same, so might as well stick to standard pricing and get what they can.

 

[DeVaul]

There's no way the demand for Oasis will be as big in the US.

I think this is less about what happened in the UK and more that they know demand won't nearly be the same, so might as well stick to standard pricing and get what they can.

Demand expectations would certainly explain the very limited US markets

 

[namkcuR]

This is where it starts to go off the rails for me though. The drop in octave in the pre chorus. I hate it. It would be better if that part was cut, or if Bono tried singing it in the same octave as the verse and chorus. It takes me out of the "epicness" of the song. Or, even better, just have an instrumental there. No words.

And maybe the reason why I liked this version better is immediately evident - the drop in octave, ripping the stitches part is gone. As is feeeeeeeeel nothing. Thank god.

If they can keep the meandering, Bad-like qualities but fix the pre chorus and the nails on a chalk board feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeereel nothing? This song could actually be worth the hype it's always received.

Man, I can't disagree more with this part. I think the "ripping the stiches" pre-chorus is one of the best parts of the song, and getting rid of it was one of the biggest mistakes they made with the 360 version. And I don't think I'm alone in thinking that.

IMO, the pre-chorus creates a tension that the chorus("love is where I lie" etc) sounds more effective providing release from.

 

[namkcuR]

Anyone thinking Fast Cars and TGBHF are the official last songs of their respective albums needs to have their head examined.

There's a simple litmus test: if there were versions in wide release in a fair number of countries where the song wasn't included, it's safe to say it's not part of the album proper.

In Japan, Australia, Ireland and the UK, "The Ground Beneath Her Feet" (3:44) is a bonus track at the end.

"Fast Cars" is a bonus track on the Japan, UK and Ireland CD edition

Only 3-4 markets that had this version? And the USA doesn't? Sorry, but that doesn't cut it.

Well, Fast Cars and TGBHF aren't exactly the same, because Fast Cars WAS on the deluxe version of the album here in the states, which TGBHF never was until the 20th anniversary release.

And, as I said before, I don't know if it means anything, but there's only one version of the HTDAAB on Spotify right now, and Fast Cars is on it.

 

[DomCobb]

Anyone thinking Fast Cars and TGBHF are the official last songs of their respective albums needs to have their head examined.

There's a simple litmus test: if there were versions in wide release in a fair number of countries where the song wasn't included, it's safe to say it's not part of the album proper.

In Japan, Australia, Ireland and the UK, "The Ground Beneath Her Feet" (3:44) is a bonus track at the end.

"Fast Cars" is a bonus track on the Japan, UK and Ireland CD edition

Only 3-4 markets that had this version? And the USA doesn't? Sorry, but that doesn't cut it.

I agree, but these days the waters are muddied, arguably through revisionist history of the anniversary tracklisting, but also streaming can be weird and bad at labeling. Just checked Spotify and HTDAAB has Fast Cars as the last track with no mention of "bonus" (non-anniversary ATYCLB does not have GBHF, for now at least).

Easy to see new or unaware fans not realizing the distinctions.

 

[The John Tree]

Yeeeeah I guess? But one thing to consider is that the streaming market has made things a bit different. Take one of my favorite bands, Biffy Clyro. One of their "bonus" tracks a few albums ago has been referred to as the final song on the album by the band several times, so while I agree about Fast Cars and TGBHF, the conversation has more grey area than it used to have.

Obviously they're different mediums, so this isn't a perfect analogy, but I liken it to DVD extras. I can pop a special edition DVD in of The Godfather that has deleted scenes on it. But those deleted scenes aren't part of the 'official' film.

 

[dan_smee]

To extend that analogy, even putting those deleted scenes in a logical order as a directors cut - still not part of the album, but an interesting take on the album for those keen enough to want more

 

[david]

I wonder if I still have the original deluxe book edition of Bomb on CD that was filled with Larry’s weird paintings and I think Bono sketches. Might have included a DVD too.

 

[cobl04]

Anyone thinking Fast Cars and TGBHF are the official last songs of their respective albums needs to have their head examined.

There's a simple litmus test: if there were versions in wide release in a fair number of countries where the song wasn't included, it's safe to say it's not part of the album proper.

In Japan, Australia, Ireland and the UK, "The Ground Beneath Her Feet" (3:44) is a bonus track at the end.

"Fast Cars" is a bonus track on the Japan, UK and Ireland CD edition

Only 3-4 markets that had this version? And the USA doesn't? Sorry, but that doesn't cut it.

Well, you can suck my arse because I consider Yahweh to be the last song of Hutdab but Ground Beneath Her Feet to be the last song of Attyclub.

This is a good and proper response

"...widely accepted that dynamic pricing remains a useful tool to combat ticket routing and keep prices for a significant proportion of fans lower than the market rate and thus more affordable" hahhahaahahhahahahahahah what a fucking load of shit