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Harsh, but probably true. The evidence (Eno falling out with them for not getting a co-writing credit on ATYCLB and the guitar riff they 'borrowed' from Tedder's band) certainly points that way.

It's bloody good, isn't it? The sped-up bass line; the ear-piercing distorted guitar/synth solo; and the much darker atmosphere the music gives to the lyrics. Over the years (27 years!), I'd estimate that I've played this mix far more than the original. Flood at his very best. They really...

I agree that the Discotheque video was a problem. I was at secondary (high) school when it was released and I can vividly remember a friend saying, "you like that song with the weird video?" when I mentioned Pop.

Yeah, it's great. Given that parts of the album began with Howie B playing them loops as starting points for songs, I've often wondered whether this mix is a glimpse into that process. Bono's vocal is whole other level Bongolese. Pop was my intro to U2 - and I came to it as a teenager who was...

Question: do we think No Line was the last time they started songs as a band? This thread prompted me to go back and look at some of the 'making of' videos and it's striking how closely they're working together. Eno's description of how Moment of Surrender came together doesn't sound like many...

Seconded. It's an amazing piece of work. In fact, I can still remember my first listen, being genuinely (and very pleasantly) shocked by the way Bono delivers the opening line, "I tied myself with wire". A masterpiece.

"This is a mansion the Los Angeles County Department of Regional Planning stole from the Edge - we're stealing it back."

I'd love to hear Andy Barlow work with U2 again. Little Things and Book of your Heart were my favourite songs and also (to my ears) the most progressive sounding songs on the last album. I wonder if that sound also comes from them getting Tom Elmhirst to mix it. I've just listened to Adele's...

Very interesting. The production team makes sense in the context of Atomic City, but also Edge's appearance on the Lol Tolhurst / Budgie / Jacknife Lee album and Jacknife Lee's involvement with Bono's tour. To echo what others have said, this news makes me wonder if this is a process of...

Fair enough. We all have different things that we want from music. Re-threading the same old path over and over is not for me. They played some of the new music during his interview on Ruck Rubin's podcast recently. It sounds _quite_ different to REM.

I remember at one point reading Larry Mullen say that he was shocked when he heard that REM were quitting. (Sorry, I can't find the quote.) I wonder whether that changed his relationship with U2 - realising that it was possible for one of their contemporaries to simply walk away? And, of course...

An idle observation: if you wanted to normalise the band continuing without its founder member/drummer, putting an image of a different drummer on the cover of an official release, on which the original drummer does not feature, would be a fairly good way to go about it...

Me too. I haven't liked much of U2's output since NLOTH - a handful of songs excepted - but this is good.

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Yeah, I agree. Was just suggesting that getting him to use his experience and abilities in a different direction, rather than waiting till he's fully up for the job, might be a useful experiment in creativity. See also: the electronic drums on Moment of Surrender, which make an incredible...

Innocent question: why does Larry have to drum? Or, at least, why should he have to do such sustained drumming? The technology has existed for a long time (Howie B used it on Pop) to loop and to rebuild a rhythmic track from the shortest fragments of a beat. Why shouldn't Larry's limitations be...

Gah! 'It's' should read 'its'. Stupid iPhone.

A society shouldn't need multiple enforcers to ensure that it's behaviour is kept on check. The best way for that to happen is by self-regulation rather than by having someone watching over your shoulder all the time. This is not a school yard, so we shouldn't need the teacher to slap us on the...

That's what I said above - it just got buried in the usual rubbish that fills these threads. You're spot-on, and even if we hear nothing then it's just a sign that they're going for a different marketing approach. Interferencers are amazingly pernickety: 'We want a stealth release. Oh wait...

My personal interpretation of all of this (and a lot of this has been suggested thus far already): 1. The album's done. (See all that news that came out in a few weeks earlier in the summer from those who'd heard the new material.) 2. The iron curtain remains in place - no info is allowed out...

Wouldn't it though. What a statement to make that you are confident about your work - and possibly that this is it, the definitive last record - than simply 'U2'.

Maybe it's self-titled?

Our discussion actually simply highlights the problem with NLOTH: it's so bloody frustrating that it led the listener, and us, all these years later, to dissatisfaction. Case and point: I say 'ATM Machine' all the time. Maybe it's an Irish thing? I find the Unknown Caller lyrics to be great...

I'd honestly rather they released nothing at all than released a half-awesome / half-awful record. Why do we need a new U2 record if it's anything less than perfect? Ten great songs would be nice thanks. If they can't come up with that, I've got plenty of other U2 and plenty of other great...