Manager caring about the finances of the band ? $hocking...but he does not make the musical decisions. I guess the band's view of what belongs on the album (no one is perfect) is different in some cases compared to (interference) fanbase, but to me there are only 3 mistakes they made: Hold me thrill me kiss me kill me, Ground beneath her feet and Stateless not making it on a U2 album.
Maybe the band will try that "digital album release" - remember that rumour that a U2 album would be one of the first digital only releases a while ago ? U2 likes to get involved with cutting edge technology so that would be right up their alley - plus it buys them more time to work on the album as all the promotion, the actual CD pressing etc isn't needed. Release it digitally on the eve of the 3rd leg and get a little extra media talk...and they did say the album would be out "by June". All they really need is a single in the Spring, which is what Bono already talked about.
hmm....i'm trying to remember what the name of that digital music service was, it wouldn't be Intel, was it?
This is so much full of fail. People like you have obviously no idea at all about what art really is. Artists are critics that's the primary thing that they are because analysing what they want to create and knowing when they have reach that goal or not is what their job is all about. As a result if they are good artists so they are necessarily very good critics too but the opposite is also right : if you are not able to create anything worthy then you are obviously not good at all at analysing art too. So you're certainly the one who is ridiculous here. Criticizing is good that's what forums like this are about but please people be more humble when you are talking about artists that have proven so much. That doesn't mean that they can't be wrong but they certainly know much much better than you and me what they are doing.
if you are not able to create anything worthy then you are obviously not good at all at analysing art too
this couldnt be more wrong
Sorry for destroying some dreams here about rock critics and forum discussions but why should someone unable to create something have a better understanding of it that someone that got great success in this area? When you go to your dentist do you also give him advices about what he should do? Why do you think that should be different with artists? Stop thinking that successful artists haven’t a great understanding about what they are doing because that just shows how vague your idea of a creative process is. I think that artists that have almost an unprecedented success in music have proven that they know better than anyone else how to create great music. Instead of criticizing blindly choices that could appear strange to THEM, people should first try harder to understand why these choices have been made in the first place in order to learn from so talented bands. Again that doesn’t mean that you can’t criticize but harsh critics should only come after deep analysis and not after bold, subjective and therefore unconstructive statements from people, me and you, that haven’t proven anything in this area.
Sorry for destroying some dreams here about rock critics and forum discussions but why should someone unable to create something have a better understanding of it that someone that got great success in this area? When you go to your dentist do you also give him advices about what he should do? Why do you think that should be different with artists? Stop thinking that successful artists haven’t a great understanding about what they are doing because that just shows how vague your idea of a creative process is. I think that artists that have almost an unprecedented success in music have proven that they know better than anyone else how to create great music. Instead of criticizing blindly choices that could appear strange to THEM, people should first try harder to understand why these choices have been made in the first place in order to learn from so talented bands. Again that doesn’t mean that you can’t criticize but harsh critics should only come after deep analysis and not after bold, subjective and therefore unconstructive statements from people, me and you, that haven’t proven anything in this area.
Someone should e mail the moderators on here, as its clearly time they closed down Interference as our opinions aren't worth shit apparently..
nah, it doesn't mean this place should be closed downSomeone should e mail the moderators on here, as its clearly time they closed down Interference as our opinions aren't worth shit apparently..
Comparing the work of a dentist to an artist's work and its respective creative process?Sorry for destroying some dreams here about rock critics and forum discussions but why should someone unable to create something have a better understanding of it that someone that got great success in this area? When you go to your dentist do you also give him advices about what he should do? Why do you think that should be different with artists? Stop thinking that successful artists haven’t a great understanding about what they are doing because that just shows how vague your idea of a creative process is. I think that artists that have almost an unprecedented success in music have proven that they know better than anyone else how to create great music. Instead of criticizing blindly choices that could appear strange to THEM, people should first try harder to understand why these choices have been made in the first place in order to learn from so talented bands. Again that doesn’t mean that you can’t criticize but harsh critics should only come after deep analysis and not after bold, subjective and therefore unconstructive statements from people, me and you, that haven’t proven anything in this area.
Guys, I’m not saying there aren’t any meaningful discussions on these boards because thankfully many people here have moderated and constructive opinions. I’m just criticizing the fact that some others seem to be convinced that they know much better than U2 about what they should do or have done and are claiming this as some kind of facts which is imo incredibly pretentious and… well, stupid if you consider the fact that these people haven’t proven anything in this area. That doesn’t mean that there can’t be any constructive debates on a forum just that you certainly need to have at least the good approach to create one and of course bashing something blindly will always be easier than analysing it in a respectful and constructive way.
Aygo > What is funny is that people seem to think that artists obviously don't need strong skills, understanding and knowledge to know what they are doing just like in any other job.
i don't think anyone was suggesting otherwise that U2 don't have mad skills when it comes to songwriting. and if some people prefer that U2 ought to take a certain route creatively, then that's their opinion and perogative. we all love different eras of U2, some like em all, i think it's safe to say mostly everyone here digs about atleast 90 percent of all the music U2 has done in their career. so if i was to say U2 should care less about what singles they can crack the top 40 with and just write from within, then i don't think it's out of line. because i respect the band and have been following them my entire life, i only want whats best for them. of course they can do whatever they want to do, and they will obviously. but to suggest that maybe U2 are going about things contrary to what one fan believes ought to be the right way, isn't disrespectful or pretensious, it's just their opinion.
and no, you honestly can't say that u2 have never made a wrong move, and that only they know what's best. why? because u read it all the time in their interviews and thruout their history. with or without you wasn't a #1 hit song in their eyes until others started encouraging them to release it as a single. and of course we all know about their hangups with the POP album. they can write music, but i won't say they're always the best judges of their music.
i don't think anyone was suggesting otherwise that U2 don't have mad skills when it comes to songwriting. and if some people prefer that U2 ought to take a certain route creatively, then that's their opinion and perogative. we all love different eras of U2, some like em all, i think it's safe to say mostly everyone here digs about atleast 90 percent of all the music U2 has done in their career. so if i was to say U2 should care less about what singles they can crack the top 40 with and just write from within, then i don't think it's out of line. because i respect the band and have been following them my entire life, i only want whats best for them. of course they can do whatever they want to do, and they will obviously. but to suggest that maybe U2 are going about things contrary to what one fan believes ought to be the right way, isn't disrespectful or pretensious, it's just their opinion.
and no, you honestly can't say that u2 have never made a wrong move, and that only they know what's best. why? because u read it all the time in their interviews and thruout their history. with or without you wasn't a #1 hit song in their eyes until others started encouraging them to release it as a single. and of course we all know about their hangups with the POP album. they can write music, but i won't say they're always the best judges of their music.
Damn, I made a longer answer but have lost it .
Let's summarize then : artists are critics they don't have a perfect song at their first attempt (well except the beatles maybe ) they of course need to figure what they want to create, be critical about their work, decide what has to be added or changed and eventually know when a song is finished or not. That's what their job is about and if they are good at it then they are necessarily good to do that. As a result saying that "they aren't the best judges of their work" is highly laughable and pretentious because it is like saying that they don't know better than fans how to create great music. You say that they have very strong songwritting skills then I am curious to know what you mean by that if that don't refers first to amazing tastes and a very strong artistic understanding. Also of course they can also be wrong, they are not perfect, but that doesn't mean that they don't still know much better than amateurs what their job is about.
One week without news and it goes off-topic.if anyone want to discuss "Songs Of Ascent", please talk about it here:
http://www.u2interference.com/forums/f196/songs-of-ascent-v-the-final-bell-204141.html